Teh RG fight... by the Pacman

[pacman]

Yeah... so I'm hella bored and figured I'd make a post to discuss the very first fight in BWL, the Razorgore.

A general sidenote, there are only 18 pulls in the entire instance (I count the surpression room as 1 fight since it's continuous). Yet it can take 6 hours to get to the 4th boss, so have no delusions that it's going to be easy in any way, stock up on every concievable buff.

Anyway, RG. You'll walk in, go up some steps and bam your in his room. To the left there is the Mindcontrol orb, the controller, and 2 gurads. To your right is big RG himself, and scattered throughout the entire room are the eggs you have to break open. Also along the walls are these square spawn areas where all of the mobs spawn, 8 total areas, 2 in each corner, and the controller and RG are up on platforms that have ramps up to them. It's a really basic layout once you see it.

Phase 1: Your MT (loren) will charge the controler and the majority of the raid will swarm the platform and take everything down while your orb controler (someone with MindControl experience) takes control of RG before he start decimating the raid. The MCer will then use RG's spell to break the eggs around the area. Sounds easy enough.

However during this time Legionaires, Mages, and Dragonkin will continually spawn from the 4 corners, from those little square areas.

-Dragonkin-
Have a druid sleep one and keep it slept, and this is where your hunters come in. They will kite as many D-kin as they can around the room in a COUNTER-CLOCKWISE rotation. If anyone dies to a D-kin it's the hunters fault.
-Mages-
There will be 4 groups of pure wtfdps 1 for each corner. This groups ONLY job is to destroy the mages that spawn as quickly as possible. This group does NOT attack the legionaires that spawn or the ones that run past. Eventually Mages will stop spawning, at this point these groups are to just survive and attempt to snare the legionaires that are swarming your shaman. However, DO NOT stop them with frost-novas or any other type of stun etc. simply because the next shaman might not be able to avoid them and thus get dazed and wtf pwned.
-Legionaires-
This is where your shaman come in. There will be 1 for each corner, dropping an earthbind and frost-shocking the first legionaire that spawns in their corner. Then they run COUNTER-CLOCKWISE, to the next corner and wait for their legionaires to catch up with them. The entire time the shaman are kiting, they will be picking up more and more legionaries. If you manage to get hit, or see someone who is close enough to you to toss them a heal you should have enough time, if the earthbinds work, to stand on the platforms and toss a heal or two.

As far as healing goes for phase 1 you will do only what is necessary. You cannot get the aggro from the shaman or you will die. Bubbles on passers by and rejuvs/renews etc are it. If you do get one or two Legos on you join the kite.

Now the way you run is Very important. On Buru you simply need to run away from him in a circle in either rotation. On RG you HAVE to keep the kite going in one direction so people don't get clogged up and killed.

Phase 2:
After the last egg is killed off all of the other mobs will flee and RG will make a bee-line for the orb controller, which he will then kill, so put a soulstone on him, unless its your MT then just let him tank'im. At this point your MT will get on RG with oh I'd say two OT's just incase and they will all fight for aggro like everyones lives depends on it. RG is alot like Drakk in the sense that he will conflag whoever is highest on the aggro list then start beating on the next one etc. However he does also do a Fireball AE that isn't that powerful and doesn't require any FR to counter simply because your rogues have a special job.

Your rogues will be bandaging the entire raid while your healers heal the MT and OT's. This is of course if you dont have many healers, however rogues won't be attacking RG anyway, except with bows if they really choose to. This goes for DPS warriors as well.

It's a simple tank and spank in phase 2, the only difference is the fireball AE, and the amount of damage he throws out.

[haephestus]

what is his damage comparable to out of curiousity oh mighty and wise pachin? i couldn't really tell from the u-tube version of the fight i watched.

[pacman]

Well to be quite honest I have no idea, I never really got physically hit by him. I would assume somewhere around a 10% Golemagg hit since you do get rocked when he cleaves ya...

[haephestus]

so he has a normal attack, a fireball aoe, a conflag thingy and a cleave during phase two? also, on the u-tube video i saw, the controller of razorgore did some sort of aoe fire thingy while he was up in the air and it aggroed all the stuff in the room, do you have to do that at the end of the fight?

[pacman]

During like the last 3 eggs you can pop his AoE fireball attack to get everything to attack RG so the kite can relax, however, then everyone with an aoe fear and cc needs to charge RG and pop it, so that he himself doesn't die before the last egg is killed.

[cowl]

Here are some comments from hunters on the O-boards back in May 2006 regarding how they (and their guild) handle the hunter-dragonkin kiting:

I have seen a lot of posts about Razorgore so I thought to post my own technique. I have been extremely successful and I often have 2 and 3 dragons in my own train by the end of phase 1. I believe inexperienced hunters should follow the outline below until they become experienced with the encounter enough to try the added ideas posted below this initial section.

The first thing a new hunter should do is learn the room, the obstacles in your path and how the fight will begin. You should notice the room is one big square. In each of the 4 corners there are 2 pillars that rise up to the roof making a total of 8 pillars in the entire room. From these pillars, the monsters will spawn as the fight progresses. You should also notice 2 raised platforms, one of them is where Razorgore is initially standing and the other one is where the orb and the 3 orcs are standing. These platforms play a very important role in your kiting. It is important to learn the placement of obstacles that can slow you down like Torches, Chairs, Benches and the Orb.

The Kite: My guild uses a specific rotation for dragons and we wait in line for our dragon to spawn so we can begin our kite. You guild may do this part differently but the tactic for kiting and getting aggro is still the same. The first thing you should always do is Hunters Mark the dragon. This lets other players know that dragon is under control. After you mark the dragon, hit him with your highest level of distracting shot followed with your highest level of arcane shot. This will get you 3-4 shots (Arcane, Distracting, one or two Autoshots) on the target and a lot of initial aggro. Your next step is to run to the opposite platform from your designated corner. Run up the stairs and stand by the edge of the cliff, once your dragon begins to climb the stairs you can jump off the cliff and run to the platform on the other side of the room. The dragon will fall behind as he cannot jump off the cliff so this will let you gain ground on him from a safe distance. Go to the next platform and rinse and repeat this tactic. During your jumps off the cliff, you want to use your highest level of Distracting shot over and over. This will keep building your aggro and insure that you will never lose your target. The dragon should never catch you if you time your jump off the cliff correctly. The only hunter CC ability that is effective in this fight against dragons is Scattershot. It can make your life much easier when you make a mistake or when unexpected things happen. If you are not speced for ScatterShot then you need to be perfect for the entire fight or else you will die on any mistakes.

Below I will list a few tricks and things I use to make my kite easier. I suggest new hunters simply focus on the kiting tactic above and nothing else. You should not attempt to do anything advanced until you learn how to effective kite 1 dragon around without taking any damage during the kite. Experienced hunters may want to add little things here and there to help the raid so some of my ideas may be interesting for them.

-----Your kiting is all about survivability, so you will want as much stamina gear as possible. You dragon should not be hitting you but there have been times where you get random aggro from a legionnaire or a mage. It is very important that you remain alive for the entire fight. You can use your FR gear as the mages can target you with a fireball attack.

-----I highly suggest using Aspect of the Monkey over Aspect of the Cheetah for most of this fight. There are a few reasons for this decision. The dragons are NOT faster than you are at normal speed, so if you take the correct path they will never caught you and can increase your distance on them with the right moves. Secondly, if you use Cheetah the whole time you WILL get hit by Arcane Explosion that is cast by the mages. If this happens, your dragon may kill you and that is bad for the raid. Even 1 loose dragon can cause serious damage and wipe an attempt. Thirdly, I use 2 items that add to my Dodge % and I can usually dodge a lot of random attacks from legionnaires and dragons. I do believe that Cheetah does have its uses, but you should use it when you know it is safe and switch back to Monkey when moving through packs of enemies to avoid any stuns.

-----Do NOT rely on Feign Death in this fight for any reason. It seems that the resist rate is extremely high but if you manage to feign, I suggest putting down a frost trap immediately so you can help slow the legionnaires in the main train a little more. Realize that if you do feign, you will have to build aggro on your dragon again to keep him under control. Use feign very smartly in this fight or not at all.

-----When you need to kite more than 1 dragon is where this fight gets challenging and fun at the same time. Another of the CC classes may have died unexpectedly and all of a sudden there is a dragon loose. Hunters are the only CC class that can take 2 or more dragons at the same time so now is the time to showoff for your guild. =) By the time you need to kite an additional dragon, you should have a huge amount of aggro on your 1st dragon with no worry about losing him. This allows you to freely target and get aggro on another target. As you continue to run your kiting trail, you should use arcane and distracting shot, at their highest levels, on the 2nd dragon you want to kite. It may take more than a few hits to get aggro so do not take an irregular path and risk getting hit by your original dragon. Keep the original kite going and the 2nd dragon will be back in range soon enough. Once you have the 2nd dragons attention on you, it is all about positioning and timing. This is where you need to use the platforms and where Aspect of the Monkey and any Dodge% items come in very handy. You should still setup the jump off the platform cliff the same way, the only difference is you will wait until both dragons are on top of the platform before you jump off. This may require you to take a few hits from 1 of the dragons. I dodge a lot of these attacks but it may still warrant the use of a health potion. If you did everything correctly, you now have 2 dragons chasing you around in a tight group. Use the same platform cliff jump technique as you would for just 1 dragon and you are free to kite 2 dragons or grab a 3rd if necessary and repeat this process again.

I hope some of this helped the new guys, happy kiting and stay alive. =)

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My guild has been extremely successful in having no one kite the dragons. The druids sleep (we usually have about 6 druids) until a master kiter gets agro from the whole room, and from then on all the dragons are following the main kiter. In our sessions we noticed that when a master kiter shoots the AOE fireballs we easily lose agro and it's nearly impossible for us to keep it. therefore this method leaves the hunters free to help mark/kill mages. This fight changes for a lot of guilds, so Cucci's method works exceptionally well also.

After the mages are dead one hunter helps each kiter by following him closely and if a mob gets too close we scatter shot them to delay them temporarily. The key is for a kite to remain consistent, you can't have some mobs trailing behind. Also, I bought some cheap boots and got the speed enchant on them. Works well also.

I'm not saying hunters never kite, but typically we work more on mob control and mage killing. Obviously, druids die and we take over as necessary.

Awesome post Cucci, GJ. I just wanted to let people know of another method out there.


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You only have to kite ONE dragon?!?!?!!?!?!

I usually have no less than 4 following me around. Our druid only sleep them long enough to have a Hunter get aggro on it.

Kiting just one would be very boring with no real sense of danger. This is one of my favorite fights because myself and another Hunter in my guild try to see who can kite the most at the same time. We have Duo kited all the dragon before- it was a tad messy I admit=) www.fistofthehorde.com/profiles


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Couple things you missed:

1. Put Minor Runspeed Enchant on boots - very cheap, toss it on a pair of +sta boots - VERY nice (never need cheeta).

2. Never shoot a kin in FRONT of you except with scattershot.

3. When a kin spawns, it immediately runs up to the top of the platform - you CANNOT lock aggro on it till it reaches the top and pauses there. It's a scripted path, seems that until it's finished you can't build aggro on them.

4. Don't heal yourself with potion of whipper/ND until you are away from any nearby orcs - they'll aggro on you from the healing and you'll start eating fireballs or get leggo rash.

5. Pausing at the bottom of the ramp (if you have the time) helps make sure that none of your kin bypass the platform and bushwack you when you jump off the front.

I've had as many as 8 Kin chasing my hunter around the room before - the number really doesn't seem to matter much, as long as their positioning when you pick them up is good. Having another hunter drop and his kin come charging you head-on is a really, REALLY bad thing.

[pacman]

Nice thing about the hunter kite Cowl, that should prove helpful.

Something I forgot to mention, the d-kin can be feared. Chain feared so be all over that.